Beyond Knowing

What happens when insight isn't enough — when your vision is clear, your mind runs fast, and follow-through keeps breaking anyway?

Executive functioning and resilience coach Kevin Bailey spent years burning out trying to out-learn and out-effort his way to success before he stopped trying to fix himself and started designing support systems built for him. That terrain between knowing and doing became part of his life's work.

In this conversation, Kevin and Lauri explore the journey from masking to belonging, values as a compass, and what becomes possible when you stop fighting your own brain.

Whether you're neurodivergent or just exhausted from performing a version of yourself that doesn't fit—this episode is for you.

TAKEAWAYS

1. Your differences aren't the problem. The story that your differences need to be hidden is the problem.
2. Working harder and knowing more is not a substitute for building systems that fit how your brain actually works.
3. Masking drains your battery at a rate most people around you can't see. For neurodivergent people, it often runs at 25–40% capacity—constantly.
4. Recovery isn't about completely topping masking—it's about designing systems that reduce demand so the battery isn't perpetually draining.
5. Neurodivergent burnout is distinct from job burnout. It's the accumulated cost of chronic alertness, masking, and nervous system strain—not just overwork.
6. The gap between knowing and doing is terrain, not a character flaw. Understanding that terrain is where the real work begins.
7. What energizes you matters. 
8. Values are a compass. Your best and worst experiences both point to them.
9. True leadership requires courage and the willingness to be vulnerable—not a performance of confidence.

Connect with Kevin
kevin@gobeyondknowing.com
https://www.notion.so/kevinbailey/Design-a-Work-System-That-Actually-Works-With-Your-Brain-2863ccb6c400804db39ff9a492529434?source=copy_link
https://gobeyondknowing.com/

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Transcript

Welcome and Meet Kevin

Lauri 0:00

Hello and welcome back to the Untamed Leader podcast. My guest today is Kevin Bailey. He's an executive functioning and resilience coach for neurodivergent professionals, the ones whose minds run fast, whose vision is clear, and whose follow-through keeps breaking in ways that make no sense. After years of watching his own insight fail to translate into action, Kevin stopped trying to fix himself and started figuring out the terrain between knowing and doing. And that terrain became his life's work. I'm gonna save the rest of what I could introduce and let that emerge during the episode. And I just want to say I feel so many parallels between untaming and the stopping trying to fix himself. So I'm really excited about today. Welcome, Kevin.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Thank you so much, Lori. It's very, very nice to be here and I really appreciate the introduction.

Lauri 1:00

I would love to start with telling asking you a little bit

Trying to out-learn and out-effort your way to success

Lauri 1:05

of what were some of the ways that you tried to fix yourself before you stopped doing that?

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Yeah. Well, it's always an ongoing process. That's what I like to say. And that's actually one of the first things I like to get up uh right up in front, which is I'm not perfect. I still make mistakes like we all do. But I have um, I have definitely been on a journey and I've I've learned some things. So I always I I remember especially when I was kind of younger and just starting out, um, I used to constantly think that all I had to do uh to do to do to achieve anything was just to work really, really hard all of the time. Um it was um I used to think that like if I could just learn everything, know everything, um, and study everything, that somehow that that eventually one day I would be able to, you know, just achieve every amount of success. And I think that was one of the first and uh hardest uh lessons that I had to learn. Um, my background, I um I started in this kind of high-demanding consulting firm background. Um, and I was able to, you know, get on these, you know, really high teams where I was working with like Fortune 500 companies. And um it was it was an enjoyable job to an extent because it did kind of allow me to kind of learn frameworks and different things. But I quickly found myself quickly burning out um and struggling, and I didn't know how to fix it. It um it kind of freaked me out because I thought, well, I just need to learn or work harder. Um, and there were a lot of lessons in that. So I think that if I could say the the biggest, I think, mistake I learned thought was thinking that I could just do everything along my own by working incredibly hard.

Lauri 3:02

I'm

Culture and the fear of being found out

Lauri 3:03

curious how much of the working incredibly hard was, as you look back, was baked into the culture, and how much of it was like a part of you that was working hard to try to fit in or to do it right.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

You know, it's a it's a it's a good question. It makes me, you know, laugh a little bit because I I think it's a little bit of both. I think they they both kind of work with each other, right? I think a lot of times some of um the breeding grounds of um, let's say kind of the high performing um, you know, work cultures or different things, they're kind of looking for folks um that I think are achievers, because achievers are wonderful, but sometimes a lot of achievers, we have this deep fear of incompetence, right? And I know for me, um a lot of that was I think a kind of an internal voice in the back of my mind saying, don't be found out that you don't know what you're doing, right? Don't don't look like, hey, I I know you're you you think you're clever, but you're an imposter. You're you're not you're not, you know, and and you need to the only way to make sure that you're you're you're safe is by having to know all of the answers all of the time. Um, and so that was definitely a factor that was involved in that. Uh, you know, it wasn't just the the company or the you know the firm or whatever that was doing that, it was me kind of having that voice in the back of my head saying I had to, you know, know everything and be perfect all of the time.

Imposter monsters and stage mothers

Lauri 4:32

Yeah. Um, I know you took the quizzes that I have, and I just peaked um because I was hearing one of the soul suckers in the background, and I believe most of us have combinations of them. It's just at any given time one of them might be louder. And I was hearing the imposter monsters, which are the ones that say, like, there's something wrong with you or something different about you. And their perspective is you gotta try to cover up those differences or you're gonna be found out, rather than what our higher self or our soul might say, you're different. Thank goodness. Own your differences because the other people need the things that are different about you. Um, so I was hearing that, and you know, just full disclosure for people listening, the one that the quiz result that he got was the controlling stage mothers, which is also in what you're saying, like control the details, work really hard to try to control so that they don't see that you're an imposter, which you're not actually, but that's what that voice thinks.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Absolutely. And I I did kind of smile when I saw that. I'm like, Yep, guilt, guilty is charged with this with the stage mom. Uh, I think a lot of it, um, I first of all, I love what you said. I think that was I I definitely share that with you, which is that yes, you can sometimes have this thing of like, oh, you're you're different, and you when we sometimes automatically assume if you're different, that's a bad thing, rather than maybe asking the question of, oh, you're different, that's that's amazing. That's that's something you have something that no one else has, you see it differently. Um, but when you're um, you know, I often work, I work with neurodivergent um individuals, and I am neurodivergent. When you have a story where you're you're often feeling like you're too much, you're too, you're you're not doing enough, you're not, you're, you're, you're disorganized, you're you're missing things, you're you're too loud, you're too quiet, whatever, right? You internalize a lot of that. And the focus is, oh, right, you're right. I need to just focus on making sure that I am, you know, not acting up, not being different, and just kind of conform. And the way you do that, at least um, one of the lessons that I kind of learned, which wasn't a great lesson, was the way you do that is just through consuming tons of knowledge and making sure that you know what you're you're what you're doing and how to act and how to work. And once you understand everything, then somehow you're you're saved from everything else.

Using real strengths to conform — fitting in vs. belonging

Lauri 7:00

Yeah, it feels like it drew on a passion that you actually have for learning and some skills that you actually had. That was your path to conforming. And my path, I'm I'm less left-brain smart probably than you are. Um, I did not know this for for decades. I'm so intuitive that I can't and empathic, and it's part of what makes me a good actor, is that I can read other people enough to become them. And studying people throughout life was really fun. And I realized that part of what I was doing for a lot of my life was reading other people and using those skills to become more like them in order to fit in. And what we really long for is belonging, and we can be unique and belong, but to fit in, we usually have to tame ourselves or conform to use your word. I remember a moment in my favorite acting class of all time where he was like, You think you have to contort yourself to have connection and people around you. And he was one of the first people to say, I think you will find that if you are your real self, yes, some people may fall away, but the true connected, deeper, closer relationships will be drawn toward you. And he was absolutely right. But the first time you hear that, you're like, Do what now? That habit I've had for my whole entire life, you're telling me I should stop doing that because it's always felt like shit. Okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

It's it's courageous to have uh you know the courage to to not to be liked, right? But to to trade that for being your best authentic self. I think I think um actually I remember one of the other parts was it was it like was a people pleaser or something or a pleaser.

Masking, Peppy Pleasers, and the neurodivergent parallel

Lauri 9:00

Yep, the the mask, the speaker alter ego mask, which could also it shows up not just when we're on a stage, if we're leading or in our life. Um Peppy, I think, was added in because particularly on a stage, like it's our innate people pleasing habits, and then somebody might have actually said to us when we were on a stage, you really need to smile more. So it becomes like a not just I'm pleasing you, but I'm Peppy as I'm pleasing you.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

Um, I and I I love that language in in I would say our world and neurodivergent, we we we kind of describe the similar concept as masking, right? You have a tension between who you really are and how you really are your kind of natural ability, you know, uh nervous system and how it typically acts. And you've learned because often exactly like you said, there's somebody or many people that have said, hey, hey, you're you're too loud, or you really shouldn't do it that way, or you really shouldn't be that way. And so you learn, oh, okay, well then I need to put on this this you know different version of of myself in order to fit in. And that's exactly I think the peppy, the peppy pleaser. And do it papy, you can do it in a papy way.

Lauri 10:13

Yeah. I

What masking costs: trust, self-knowledge, and the battery

Lauri 10:15

am curious, what did the the masking and the different like ways of adapting to life, what have they cost you throughout your life?

SPEAKER_01 10:27

They cost the ability to trust yourself, at least for me, it cost my ability to trust myself. Um, and a um almost default hyper awareness of everything that's you know um that's that's happening. Um, I I like to think one of my my strengths, which I think your strengths can also be, you know, your your weaknesses, they're just flip sides of the same coin. One of the strengths I have to have is I can read people uh very well now. Um, and I am very hyper-aware of kind of micro cues and different things. I I had to learn almost as a survival mechanism. And so that I've spent a lot of time kind of deconstructing and working through that. Um, but I think there was always been, and frankly, will always be a level of just kind of heightened anxiety of like, oh, you're doing it wrong. And having to have that on all of the time, there's a tax to that, right? There's an energy cost to that because you're never feeling fully safe. And eventually, and it definitely happened to me, is through masking, through, through, through kind of being hyper-aware, through learning through things, I epically like burnt out. And it's a burnout, it's a different, and it's a different kind of burnout, right? They call it a neurodivergent burnout. A lot of people are familiar with what we're kind of the kind of typical burnout. It's usually attached to something like a job occupation, right? You're doing too much, it's a lot of work, you're tired, right? Neurodivergent burnout, while there can be parts of that, it's more tied to the extreme exhaustion of one having to kind of mask dealing with executive functioning issues, and two having this kind of hyper behavior of having to constantly mold and and move around and push yourself. And so there was a lot of cost to that. Um it takes up so much of your battery and your inertia.

Neurodivergent burnout — what it is and who might recognize it

Lauri 12:28

Yeah, I'm so glad that you shared that. I more and more I'm hearing that a lot of people who would respond to the name of the podcast Untamed Leader, and a lot of multi-passionate leaders in today's world, they're all finding out later in life that they are neurodivergent. So some of them may be listening and hearing, oh, hey, wait, my burnout sounds more like what he's talking about, or I feel like that's just about to happen for me, like I'm just about to collapse. And it sounds a lot like being on red alert all the time. And nothing is even like an emergency system, is not actually designed to be on red alert all the time. And our human bodies are really not designed to be on red alert all the time.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

Yeah, that's that's exactly right. And and for uh, you know, any listeners that that may kind of hear a little bit of themselves, I would say, welcome. You're in a a long line of uh of people that I think um identifies with that. The reality is it's not it's uh it's not a one-time thing. There is a is a there's a cost to it over and over, and it eventually it can often build up as you get older and older and older, and then often there's some kind of event or just you've been on this hyper, hyper, you know, active space, and eventually you just kind of hit a crash. You hit a crash. Um so it's a very common loop um that that I see um both with my clients and just you know in the in the in the in the whole you know sphere of the neurodivirtual world.

Lauri 14:10

Yeah, and if there's some kind of burnout, so you mentioned like lots of people who have burnout, they burn out because of a job. And almost everybody whose story, and I've heard a lot of stories, who burned out because of a job, the common theme is it showed them that something needed to change. So probably 75% of those stories, if they burned out because of a job, they realized that they were doing a job that wasn't meant for them. They were living someone else's life, and they have the story of like they burned out and then they just decided to quit, and they went and started living the life that they were meant to live. Another 25%, it might have been simply their relationship to the job that, you know, I've had, I used to call myself a recovering workhorse. I used to have kind of a martyr relationship with work and with the world where I would make people need me, even as an executive assistant. I'm gonna orchestrate things so that you need me. And then I'm gonna have like a martyr complex about the fact that I can never have any time off.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

Yeah.

Lauri 15:18

In the case of neurodivergent burnout, it sounds like well, the thing that needs to change is to stop the masking to the best of your ability.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

I

It's not an on/off switch: designing support, not stopping the mask

SPEAKER_01 15:31

in some ways, in some ways, there may be some slight nuances to that because I think it's important. Um, one is uh in many ways, everybody has some kind of mask, right? You're often not the exact same person you are, you know, with maybe your partner than you are with a boss or with a friend or different things. So we all do, you know, small masking things in and out, right? It's not a matter of uh uh of you mask or you don't mask, it's often a matter of how much and how often. Think of it almost like a battery where it's like, okay, I mask, but it's like a 5% mask, 10%, right? When you're neurodivergent and your brain and your nervous system is working differently all of the time. And so the battery is more like a 25, 30, 40 percent, right, for a very, very long time. And so when it comes to neurodivergent burnout, right? If like uh and like how do I both kind of prevent and recover from that kind of neurodivergent burnout, right? It's not about going stop masking, because that's just not realistic. It's more about how can we build, we we build systems and support structures to reduce demand and this constant alertness that you have to run all of the time that is often not sustainable.

Lauri 16:56

Yeah,

What became possible when Kevin stopped fighting his brain

Lauri 16:57

when you said building systems and support, I felt my own nervous system. Like I didn't, I don't think I visibly exhaled, but I felt an energetic like happen in my own body as you were saying that. I'm curious, as as you have learned this, what has become possible or different in your life as you've walked this path yourself?

SPEAKER_01 17:28

Uh everything, I would say. I'm kind of like gonna smile at that. Um, I think at its root, I think it there's a uh it starts, I think, with a an acceptance, both a realization and an acceptance for who you are and and your needs. I know that um before I kind of went through my own journey, I was I was so external facing, I was so um looking outwards that I had no idea what I even needed, what I wanted, how I felt. Because it's like, oh, I I can't worry about me. I've got to survive out in the world, right? I gotta make sure I'm you know looking good and knowing everything and acting in this way. And what that left me with was a sense of kind of hollowness. I didn't know who I even really was. Um and through the work and through the building of the systems, through the learning, through skill building, through having good people around me and uh tools, I have been able to rediscover who I am, myself, my needs, my desires, what I'm brilliant at, what I'm not so brilliant at and need support with. And that has naturally really helped reduce that battery consumption, that battery level, because I know more and not just know, but I've built more and I've designed more to for things to more naturally fit me. And so I'm not constantly fighting against the system and the, you know, I'm not constantly fighting against my brain, I'm working with my brain.

Lauri 18:59

Yeah, there's a huge difference energetically between cover up who you actually are, fix yourself, and give yourself things that support you. They allow you to be who you really are.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

And and can I even if I can say too, Laura, I I also just I think even things that you do, um, I I love because you can see the work, you know. If I can make some assumptions here, or just not even assumptions, but just from what we've talked about and what I've seen is it can tell that you've done a lot of the work too. It's not always just some, you know, magical system outwards. Sometimes it's just learning about how to breathe, right? We had a wonderful breathing exercise before this that really helps center, right? Um, noticing when you said when I was talking and you said, you know, when you said systems, I felt my body instantly, you know, calm and ease. Some of that is to work right there because when you don't, when you when you when you're um struggling to even observe what your body is doing and how your nervous system is is is reacting, it's it's very hard to do to do anything. Um, so I think it's it's not always uh you know, you know, some magic perfect system, but small incremental things that build up over time.

Lauri 20:22

Yeah.

Zone of genius, energizing work, and inner purpose vs. fear

Lauri 20:23

And then that probably, you know, because you mentioned your attention was so out there, you had no idea what you were good, truly good at, what felt natural for you, what you enjoyed. And there's the whole thing about having a zone of genius. And when we start to allow ourselves to support the way our brain works, to support our own nervous system, then we can start to notice oh, hey, I'm good at this thing. I'm good at this thing, and it feels really right to me. I'm good at this thing, this thing feels right, and this one I really enjoy doing, which are things when we're in a hyper scanning state, we wouldn't even know the answers to. Like that is some of what is possible from doing the work, like you said, of noticing and supporting ourselves and then seeing like what else can life be?

SPEAKER_01 21:25

Absolutely. And I I might I might add, I think that's absolutely right about learning and seeing, oh, you know, hey, I'm I have natural abilities, I have natural strengths, we all do, and it's really important to understand those things because that's important. I'd also add, I don't like to use the word passion because I think sometimes passion can be a little overrated. I think it's energize what what things energize me. Maybe there are certain things. Podcasting, I don't know if you had a natural, maybe you did, right? But I don't know if you had a necessarily a natural um um strength for. For for podcasting, but my hope is that it energized you, the things that energize you that you can do over time that is coming from a place of inner purpose rather than a fear of outside judgment.

Lauri 22:13

Yeah. Yeah. I love that example. And I I can say podcasting does energize me. The the getting on and having a conversation with a person that is also going to serve the other people who listen to it is energizing.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

Exactly.

Lauri 22:31

Yeah, look at how much you energized me with that question. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Well, you energized me with the with the questions itself. And I know we're just going to be going back and forth here. And I think

Values as compass: navigating before you know what comes next

SPEAKER_01 22:41

one of the things that I think is in um, and this is what I really work with, uh, what I really do with my with my clients and as well as myself, is I always start with I always say it starts with your values. And if you don't know your values, it's about first getting to understand what your values are. And we use the word values and sometimes kind of like, what does that even mean? Is that just a mission statement? Is that a you know, what are values? Right. And um, I think values are deeply held belief systems that are almost automatic for you, or you constantly go to. And I always say, if you're looking to try to figure out what your values are, think about the moments in your life where you had your absolute best experiences, and think about the times that you had your absolute worst experiences. And I will guarantee you that the best is because there were some values that were aligned, and the worst is because there was a value that was absent or that was or was not congruent, right? Values are a compass system, but it can be very helpful because it can give you an idea of where you want to go and what you want to do. And I always say to start there because I almost guarantee you that the reason that some of the things that you're lighting up about uh the podcast is because it's it's aligning with some of your values. Maybe you, maybe you know them, you're not in your head, so you might even already kind of connect some certain things.

Lauri 24:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

It gets to show you get to showcase some of those values, right? You know, this deep sense of connection and belonging and these inner drives that I think are so wonderful and powerful.

unknown 24:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

If your values are aligned and it and and you feel energized, then you go, oh, it's it, it's it it was worth it, right? It's it's coming from an innate kind of feeling, an innate desire.

Leaders and the world: what pisses you off points to your purpose

Lauri 24:28

Yeah. Yeah. You're making me also make the leap from individuals to leaders. And leaders can be driven by like what's not working for you in the world, which is like the experiences that you've had in your life that were really, really bad and what was missing. It may be that there's something about how the world is doing something that you're in part here to change, to infuse the world with more of the values that light you up. And I did an event recently, because if if you walk in the circles that you and I walk in, they're like, what's your life purpose statement? We were like, let's open this up and find the ways of looking at this intention, vision, purpose as a leader a little differently. And what popped into my head at one moment while I was brushing my teeth was like, what really pisses you off about the world? Let's go there. Yep. And I'm wondering when you hear the word leader, what does that spark for you?

SPEAKER_01 25:34

The first thing that comes to mind is is courage. Uh, because I think being a true natural leader comes with a form of vulnerability and openness. Um there, I think sometimes we have, you know, these stereotypical, um, not helpful things of what a leader is, where a leader is just, you know, tough and brave and doing all of these things, right? And it's like, but that's not what a real leader like often is, right? A leader is somebody that is doing something that probably terrifies them in some way. And if it doesn't terrify them in some sort of way, then they're not leading well. Right? Because leaders hard, right? It takes it takes courage, it takes vulnerability, it takes openness and understanding of you know what you know and what you don't know, right? Um, um, I think a a leader almost by definition has to have um a level of social intelligence or emotional intelligence um and uh and empathy, because to lead to lead others, you must influence them, right, in some way. And to influence them, you must learn to understand them and understand how they connect, right? Because that's really what a leader does. A leader, I think, knows how to get out of the way, right? And inspire and move other people forward, right? And that can also include yourself as well, right? I think you can be and frankly should be a leader for yourself, which is how do I get out of my own way? What do I need to know about myself? What am I feeling? Right? What are what are my emotions? How am I influencing? What am I scared of? I think those are probably I to me some of the most important factors. And I always like to bring those up because I think uh a lot of times in in in media and in movies, um, they don't always show that true process.

Lauri 27:24

Yeah. Yeah, and we we want to skip over, I think it's the part that we're really drawn to the most, actually, based on, you know, many, many people's favorite original Star Wars movie is the second one, where it's the hardest. Um I think we are probably drawn to that because it feels more like us than when the leader has it all figured out and they have the superpower, superpowers. Much as we might want to have superpowers, um, we feel the humanity in like this person does not know where to go next. And they're just starting to pick their head up and maybe consider going. They are far from perfect, which makes me wonder. And it might be like one moment,

The hardest leadership moment: the manager's look

Lauri 28:11

the most challenging leadership moment of your life, which which also might have ended up being the greatest, the most triumphant leadership moment of your life.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

I I would say the moment I had to recognize and stop pretending that I could effort my way through um my life. What I mean by that is because I had, and we kind of talked about a little bit about this in the beginning, right? Um when I was working at these kind of high performing consulting firms, I wanted to believe that I had full control over things and that, you know, it was just, you know, I just needed to work harder. And I don't know, there was a there was a moment I was, I remember, I think my manager was was was looking at me and gave me a look that I had become very familiar with. It was the look of I had so much hope for you and I and I I wanted you to succeed, but you're but you're not, and I'm not sure why, because you're so smart, you're brilliant. And so she had this kind of you know, that that kind of look of I'm not uh you know, I'm not uh I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed kind of look. And it wasn't the first time I had sold it, and it just kind of broke me. It broke me because I had been working so damn hard. I was exhausted, I was working like 60 hour weeks, uh, and I came to that very humble and honest about understanding there was a way I wished things would be, but the reality was I was a person that needed um um I I needed different systems, I needed different supports, I needed a different style to be able to to to live and to work and to actually make that spark and to get that energy. Um, and I did not come, and I would love to say that I came to that, you know, in in some you know, meditative, beautiful, understanding way. But the truth is I came to it kicking and screaming because it just kept coming back to me. And I kept like, no, no, no, I can figure it out, I can do this, I can do it by myself. Don't worry, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. And when I finally had to say, no, this isn't working, something's gotta change.

Temper tantruming our way to change — and how Kevin can help

Lauri 30:20

Yeah, I love that you said that because most of us are temper tantruming our way to the change. Like, please don't make me do this. No, I don't want to do this. And the universe just keeps sending the lesson until we quote unquote get it. And and even then, uh more and more I'm into the spiral of learning, that it's like a lesson comes around and we get it a little bit, and then it comes around more and we keep, at least for me, getting it deeper and deeper and deeper. And of course, I've noticed this. I would imagine that the people that you work with, number one, they don't have to kick and scream alone if they're going through this because they have you with them. And then there, and that there might be a little bit less kicking and screaming overall because they have you. If there are people out there who are leaning in and going, how do I connect to Kevin? I'm in the middle of burnout and I need help. How can they find you?

Connect with Kevin + free Focus Design Session

SPEAKER_01 31:24

Wow, well, thank you. First of all, that was very nicely said. They can, oh I have my my website, which is go beyond knowing uh.com. And I am also um delivering what are called free kind of um kind of focused design sessions. It's just really it's a free um 45-minute session where we uh we look at you know what's going on, you know, where you're feeling um stuck, right? Because we're all feeling stuck, what you would like to finish more, what we'd like to follow through more. Um and we uh through that 45-minute uh session help you get clarity on what you know the steps are, what's getting, what's blocking you, and what the specific steps are that are more aligned and work your brain and your system.

Pivot Pivot: rapid-fire questions

Lauri 32:17

All right. Now let's bring it home by sliding into the pivot pivot. Kevin, what is your favorite word?

SPEAKER_01 32:29

Belonging.

Lauri 32:32

What is your least favorite word?

SPEAKER_01 32:36

I'm gonna say shame. This experiencing it's shame, yeah.

Lauri 32:41

What turns you on creatively, spiritually, or emotionally?

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Deep connection with smart, bright people who are who have who feel like they have so much potential that they're not living.

Lauri 32:58

What turns you off?

SPEAKER_01 33:02

Knowing everything or thinking that you know everything. Can think of some political leaders like that, but I'm not gonna get into it.

Lauri 33:11

We don't have time.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

We don't have time.

Lauri 33:14

What's your favorite cuss word?

SPEAKER_01 33:18

Oh, thank you. I do, I swear, people. I don't want you to know it, but I swear. I was fuck like you can say that in so many ways. I mean, yes, absolutely. Easy. Love it, go ahead.

Lauri 33:31

What sound or noise do you love?

SPEAKER_01 33:37

Inhaling and exhaling the breath.

Lauri 33:42

What sound or noise do you hate?

SPEAKER_01 33:47

High pitch, high, high, like scraping, scraping noises. I hate that.

Lauri 33:53

What profession other than ones you have already done in your life would be fun to try?

SPEAKER_01 34:02

I'm gonna cheat and say all of them. I I I wish I had the time to do everything because it would be so fascinating. Can I can I use that? Is that can I use that cheat code?

Lauri 34:12

You can use that, but then you may not have an answer to my next question, with it, which is what profession would you not like to do?

SPEAKER_01 34:20

Well, some I've already done, so that could be helpful. Uh yeah. Uh so um uh I would say uh I I did a lot of uh uh busing, um uh what's the word busing, cleaning tables or something um for a restaurant. I was very, very young, and that was really, really hard for me. Um again, the klinks and the high pitching noise and the high stress demand and talk about masking. So yeah, no busing, no busing words for me.

Lauri 34:48

Yeah. And Kevin, what do you hope people say about you on your 100th birthday?

SPEAKER_01 34:58

That he lived his values.

Lauri 35:03

Beautiful, beautiful. Thank you for living your values and bringing what you're bringing to the world and for coming on the podcast today. I've really enjoyed having you here.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

Thank you so much, Lori. It's been a pleasure.

Lauri 35:18

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